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RandomRex6 21st Jun 2017, 8:00 AM edit delete
I do everything I can to grab as many scenes as possible of Sakura doing helpful things.

It is a challenge.

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Rastaba 21st Jun 2017, 8:14 AM edit delete reply
Rastaba
Which unfortunately after this arc isn't that much to my memory. Sakura gets left blindingly in the dust by Naruto and Sasuke. It's only after [Spoiler] that she BEGINS to catch up to them.
Foolish 21st Jun 2017, 9:09 AM edit delete reply
And then after she catches up, Naruto and Sasuke jump ahead of every other ninja. Oh, and Sakura embarrasses herself yet again. For the longest time I wondered if Kishimoto was a misogynist. Most of Naruto doesn't help to defend him.
Rooker 21st Jun 2017, 12:22 PM edit delete reply
Rooker
I say you do a good job of it, Rex! I used to forget Sakura was a main character once upon a time. I think Cathy makes a great Sakura and will continue to keep her above the character drowning point.

I don't think Kishimoto is a Misogynist so much as trying too hard to A: please his fan base and B: trying WAY too hard to fit a full set of hero tropes into his story. Sakura is awesome and way underrated, but the impression I got was that she was always meant to be a damsel in distress. Or at least an exposition dump and she doesn't even get to be that as often as you'd expect.

So I think it went like so:
Stage 1 - I need a Team Damsel
Stage 2 - Oh, she's more popular than I thought, let's make her cooler.
Stage 3 - Nevermind, nobody likes her, let's just disregard her.
Stage 4 - Ok, she needs to catch up, let's bump it up!
Stage 5 - More negative feedback, less Sakura.
Stage 6 - She has to do SOMETHING interesting, let's go with it.

The feeling I always got from Naruto was that it depended almost entirely on the noise that came back. That is true of most series--it's how they survive--but the way stories felt jumbled and disjointed seemed like he took everything to heart and tried to fit in too much service to his vocal, and usually rabid, fans (see also: Sasuke) that the story suffered.

I feel more like the only reason Sakura didn't become a background character is because Kishimoto was genuinely trying to keep her up to speed without overshadowing his main character twice.
It's my take at least. Maybe he is just a misogynist bastard and that would explain just as much what was going wrong with the girls of the series.
Culture 21st Jun 2017, 2:26 PM edit delete reply
Well, it doesn't help that Japan has a pretty antiquated set of gender values.
Foolish 21st Jun 2017, 4:42 PM edit delete reply
Well, Toriyama, Oda, Kubo, and plenty other mangaka ignored those antiquated set of values. Why couldn't Kishimoto?
RandomRex6 21st Jun 2017, 8:19 PM edit delete reply
Two of the most beloved arcs of Bleach are female leads spending the entire story as damsels in distress.
Kira 22nd Jun 2017, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
Um the Seireitei arc I get that's literally the best part of bleech

but what the hell is the "beloved" second one wait are you saying the hueco mundo arc is beloved..... hahahahah :D
Kira 22nd Jun 2017, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
Um the Seireitei arc I get that's literally the best part of bleech

but what the hell is the "beloved" second one wait are you saying the hueco mundo arc is beloved..... hahahahah :D
Guest 22nd Jun 2017, 9:15 AM edit delete reply
In one piece Nami is almost as weak as Usopp, and Robin has an ability that, while quite versatile, lacks the raw power that most of the other cast has. Oda did do a better job than Kishimoto, but the male characters are clearly still more powerful in combat and plot effectiveness. However, I'm not very far into one piece(just finished the prison escape) so maybe that changes later on.
Guest 22nd Jun 2017, 9:17 AM edit delete reply
Also, Toriyama? Really? He's the go to for female characters that equal the effectiveness of male characters? REALLY?
Guest 21st Jun 2017, 2:24 PM edit delete reply
Kishimoto has said that he sucks at writing female characters. It does make me wonder why he put so many of them in though. Every team has a kunoichi, and almost all of them are the weakest in their group.

There's Ino, who can only do her mind trick and basic taijutsu; Tenten, who wields weapons that were obsolete after 2 seasons; Hinata, much weaker than most of her clan(but still better than most of the female ninja); Rin, a walking plot device; Kurenai, who uses genjutsu(useless if you're not an uchiha) and retires to become a main character motivation; Temari, actually quite strong but gets pushed to the background pretty often; Tsunade, while very powerful is regularly overshadowed by the other kage(Punching real hard vs molecular obliteration); The Mizukage(can't even remember her name), who has theoretically devastating abilities...that never actually work; Karin, who is purely support; And of course, Sakura. I could write an essay about Sakura, so I'll just leave it at that.

It ends up looking pretty bad. I mean at least Hinata, and Temari are pretty well written, but a lot of the others are just kind of there.
animalia 21st Jun 2017, 9:33 PM edit delete reply
animalia
For what it's worth Sarada from Naruto Gaiden comes across pretty good in my mind.
Kira 22nd Jun 2017, 1:27 AM edit delete reply
you mean boruto :P
Sabin 22nd Jun 2017, 9:27 AM edit delete reply
Actually, there is something to be said about Sakura that Kishimoto; She's an every-person that actually goes through character development. It is really hard to do. When she starts the series, she has everything: Good grades, decent skills, a family (And you know she has a family, because they never come up because you can't get drama from them), she goes into her first genin team with her major crush, and she is very world savy (See: walking plot exposition). She actually goes through a lot, but none of it is in the first major part of Naruto other than being sad, but she does get it.

I think Kishimoto got better with Shippuden, but in order to go anywhere with her, he had to tear her down a bit. She got her heart broken, she was shown that brains can only get you so far alone, and she set herself on actually learning something most nin didn't try, medical justu. And while you can make an argument that putting women into a nurse's job is misogynistic, being a field medic is no easy task, and the two strongest medical-nin in the show is the head of the entire village, who Tsunade is more of an actual Doctor than nurse with how she is portrayed, but the other is Kabuto, who would go on to be a semi-major villain.
The main problem is that Naruto is a love story for Kishimoto, and it doesn't involve girls. It's why when you take a look at some of the time skip stories, side plots, and other plots like the movies, the women actually show they are NINJAS for a reason. Tenten can seal a whole boat in a piece of paper, Temari can literally shave down an entire forest, Tayuya can summon demons and fuck your shit up, and Hinata, while weak, was able to create techniques that no one had ever seen, and found ways to compensate.
I think the fact that Kishimoto actually included at least one female on a team, in a group, even as the penultimate big bad showed he was at least willing to write them. One thing is that they weren't all boring, and they had some personality with them.
That being said, I know this is the internet, and I expect a lot of flak from this, so I will end it with this: Atleast the female characters are more memorable and more developed than most Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich movies, and they and Naruto both have massive amounts of characters
loyalChaos 23rd Jun 2017, 4:52 AM edit delete reply
loyalChaos
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I'd go further to say that, after a certain point, I didn't really care about Naruto himself anymore, and actually cared about Hinata and Sakura's stories and arcs. They were few and far between, but I no longer cared for Naruto as a character at some point. He became so powerful in such a short amount of time it almost became obvious to me that he would win every fight.

It might just be my gender talking, but, damn, did I not care about a single male character in Naruto (except Rock Lee, he's too fucking cute).
Sabin 23rd Jun 2017, 9:03 AM edit delete reply
There were a few male characters I cared about, but that's because I find Kishimoto's side characters tend to be more interesting :P I actually really enjoyed Shino-Ino-Cho's story, especially Choji, going back as far as the search for Sasuke arc, but that's probably more personal reasons from growing up.

Hinata though was one of my favourite characters for the looongest time, even when she was the shy silent one in the Chuunin exams. The fight music between her and Neji is one of the saddest and yet strongest pieces in the entire series
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